INET Podcast


Rob Johnson is not your average economist, and this is not your average economics podcast.

Every week, Rob talks about economic and social issues with a guest who probably wasn’t on your Econ 101 reading list, from musicians to activists to rebel economists.

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How the US Botched the Pandemic Response

Jeffrey Sachs

September 24, 2020

Jeffrey Sachs, Director of Columbia University’s Center for Sustainable Development and Chair of the Lancet’s COVID-19 commission, talks about the many challenges and shortcomings of US policy towards the pandemic, as well as his new book, The Ages of Globalization, and how we can get the ethical foundations of economic thinking back on track.

On the Need for Real Dialogue to Address the Crises of Our Time

Doug Carmichael

September 21, 2020

INET’s Strategy Consultant Doug Carmichael talks about how many of our institutions, such as the economics profession, our political system, and our education system, are inadequate for dealing with the multiple crises we face.

Japan, China, India, and the US - Strategies and Tensions

Eisuke Sakakibara

September 17, 2020

Former Deputy Finance Minister of Japan, Eisuke Sakakibara, contrasts Japan’s and the US’s response to the pandemic and talks about the different roles and economic strategies of some of the world’s largest countries.

The Tyranny of Merit

Michael Sandel

September 14, 2020

Renowned Harvard University professor of philosophy Michael Sandel talks about his new book and how centrist Democrat insensitivity to inequality and the ideology of meritocracy have contributed to right-wing populism, polarization, and distrust in government.

The Upcoming Demographic Shift and What it Means for our Economic Future

Charles Goodhart and Manoj Pradhan

September 11, 2020

Charles Goodhart, professor emeritus of the financial markets group at the London School of Economics, and Manoj Pradhan, founder of the research firm Talking Heads Macro, talk to Rob about their just released book, The Great Demographic Reversal: Ageing Societies, Waning Inequality, and an Inflation Revival

How US Taxpayers Subsidize Pharma Research and Companies Reap the Profits

Fred Ledley

September 8, 2020

Fred Ledley, professor at Bentley University and co-author of an INET-funded research paper on pharma research funding, discusses the research and how US taxpayers might get more social benefit out of the initial investment they put into all new pharmaceuticals released over the past decade.

The Contradictions in China’s Economic and Foreign Policies

Louis Kujis

September 3, 2020

Louis Kuijs, Head of Asia Economics at Oxford Economics, based in Hong Kong, talks about China’s current economic strategy in the context of the pandemic and how China relates to the US, to the rest of the world, and to Hong Kong, in its effort to expand its influence

Private Equity Takeover of Healthcare

Eileen Appelbaum and Rosemary Batt

September 1, 2020

Eileen Appelbaum, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, and Rosemary Batt of Cornell University, talk about an INET-supported study on the dramatic impact that private equity funds are having on everyone’s medical bills and on the healthcare industry as a whole.

How Carbon Pricing and Carbon Dividends Address Both Climate Change and Social Justice

James Boyce

August 27, 2020

James Boyce, Senior fellow at the Political Economy Research Institute, talks about the many benefits that carbon dividends and carbon pricing would have for a transition towards a greener and more equitable economy.

Trump Voters Believe He May Be A Jerk, But He’s Their Jerk

Robert Borosage

August 24, 2020

Robert Borosage, co-founder of the Campaign for America’s Future, talks about the what went well and what did not go well at the Democratic Convention and the Democrats’ failure to recognize that their own economic policies helped bring about Trump

China’s Greater Preparedness in the Face of Economic Crises

Richard Vague

August 21, 2020

Richard Vague, Secretary of Banking and Securities for the state of Pennsylvania and INET board member, discusses with Rob Johnson the need for stronger economic measures, the different economic strategies of the US and China, and the dangers of enormous private debt burdens.

US and China - Competitors, Collaborators, or Enemies?

Yide Qiao

August 17, 2020

Yide Qiao, the Secretary General of Shanghai Development Research Foundation, talks about the political, economic, and military dimensions of US-China relations

Origins and Future Implications of Radical Uncertainty for Economic Thinking

John Kay and Mervyn King

August 13, 2020

John Kay, economist at Oxford University, and Mervyn King of the London School of Economics, discuss their recently published book, Radical Uncertainty: Decision-Making Beyond the Numbers

The Racist Roots of US Political and Economic Polarization

Peter Temin

August 10, 2020

MIT economic historian Peter Temin talks to Rob Johnson about his next book, Never Together, which looks at the economic history of how Blacks have been systematically excluded from US society



An Economics for Future Generations

Robert Dugger

August 7, 2020

Rob Johnson talks to Robert Dugger, former member of the INET Board and founder of Ready Nation, about how society can safeguard its accomplishments and rights for posterity.

Government for, of, and by the Wealthy

Thomas Ferguson

August 5, 2020

INET’s Research Director Thomas Ferguson talks to Rob Johnson about the many ways in which money corrupts our politics, contributes to ever-greater inequality, and what can be done about it.

Keynes on “The Road to Serfdom”

Robert Skidelsky

August 3, 2020

Historian Lord Robert Skidelsky reads a letter that John Maynard Keynes wrote to Friedrich Hayek about “The Road to Serfdom,” and then discusses with Rob Johnson the tense relationship between the two famous economists.

The Real Challenge Still Lies Ahead

Sony Kapoor

July 31, 2020

Sony Kapoor, Managing Director of the Nordic Institute for Finance, Technology, and Sustainability, talks to Rob Johnson about the real problems that the pandemic exposes and whether a Green New Deal is still achievable in this context.

Our Uncharted and Uncertain Future

Margaret Heffernan

July 29, 2020

Margaret Heffernan, a writer and former CEO, talks to Rob about her latest book, Uncharted: How to Map the Future Together, on the art of thinking about the future in the context of uncertainty.

A WPA of the Mind and Soul

John O’Neil

July 27, 2020

Author and psychologist John O’Neil talks to Rob Johnson about America’s moral and educational crisis.

What Kids Can Learn From John Coltrane

Christine Passarella

July 24, 2020

Rob Johnson talks to educator Christine Passarella about her program Kids for Coltrane, and the educational value of the jazz great.

A New, Structural Economics

Justin Lin

July 22, 2020

Justin Lin, Director of the National School for Economic Development in Beijing, talks to Rob Johnson about how economists can work together internationally for shared prosperity.

What the Pandemic Means for Global Solidarity

Fatima Denton

July 20, 2020

Dr. Fatima Denton, Director of the Institute for Natural Resources in Africa at the United Nations University, Ghana, talks to Rob Johnson about the need for global cooperation and coordination in the wake of the pandemic.

With China, The West Is Reaping the Bitter Harvest of Imperialism

Orville Schell

July 17, 2020

Orville Schell, the Arthur Ross Director of the Center on U.S.-China Relations at the Asia Society, talks to Rob Johnson about the future of Chinese relations with the West, and how the former victim of Western imperialism is trying to get its revenge.

Why 2020 Is not 1968

Thomas Sugrue

July 15, 2020

Thomas Sugrue, Professor of History at NYU, talks to Rob Johnson about why the multiracial protests against police brutality make 2020 different from 1968.

How Economic Theory and Policy Reinforce Racism

William Spriggs

July 13, 2020

William Spriggs, the AFL-CIO’s chief economist, talks about the inadequacies of the pandemic economic rescue package and how mainstream economic theory continues to fail everyone, but especially Blacks

The Roots of the Crisis

Thea Lee

July 10, 2020

Thea Lee, President of the Economic Policy Institute, talks to Rob Johnson about the roots of the COVID-19 economic crisis in America’s dysfunctional labor market.

Can Capitalism Deal with the Climate & Nuclear Threats?

Paul Jay

July 8, 2020

Documentarian Paul Jay talks to Rob Johnson about how major investment fund managers, such as BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street, exercise enormous control over public companies, where they use voting rights to stymie efforts to curb climate change.

Socialism in America

David Sirota

July 6, 2020

David Sirota, Jacobin Magazine editor-at-large and former speechwriter for Bernie Sanders, talks to Rob Johnson about the future of democratic socialism in America after the Sanders campaign.

Music in a Time of Social Change

Joe Boyd

July 2, 2020

Rob Johnson talks to music producer Joe Boyd about the musical inflection point of the 1960’s, and how social change affects art and artists.

Will Colleges Reopen?

Cathy O’Neil

July 1, 2020

Cathy O’Neil, founder of O’Neil Risk Consulting and Algorithmic Audit and author of the book Weapons of Math Destruction, talks to Rob Johnson about the crisis facing universities in the pandemic.

The Great Crimes of Our Society

Alex Gibney

June 29, 2020

Alex Gibney, documentarian and director of Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room, talks to Rob Johnson about the crimes perpetuated by American government and society today, including systemic racism, police brutality, and neglect of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Music and Activism in the Struggle for Racial Justice

Elaine Brown, Pt. 2

June 26, 2020

In the second of a two-part interview, Rob Johnson talks to author, activist, and former Black Panther Party chairwoman Elaine Brown about her music, her housing work and entrepreneurship in Oakland, CA, and the political moment.

The 400-year Struggle for Racial Justice in the US

Elaine Brown, Pt. 1

June 24, 2020

In the first of a two-part interview, Rob Johnson talks to author, activist, and former Black Panther Party chairwoman Elaine Brown about the killing of George Floyd and the protests sweeping the U.S. in the context of the coronavirus pandemic.

The Future of the Central Bank

Brian Barnier

June 22, 2020

Brian Barnier, Director of Analytics at ValueBridge Advisors, talks to Rob Johnson about how the pandemic could change the mission of central banks..

Global Fracture - Nationalism on the March

Michael Pettis

June 19, 2020

Michael Pettis, Non-Resident Senior Fellow at the Carnegie-Tsinghua Center for Global Policy, talks to Rob Johnson about how trade wars really are class wars and how nationalist conflict is shaping US-China relations and fracturing Europe.

A Neoliberal Pandemic

Wendy Brown

June 18, 2020

UC Berkeley political theorist Wendy Brown talks to Rob Johnson about how the pandemic and protests against police brutality lay bare a crisis of neoliberalism.

The Future of International Governance

Chong-En Bai

June 17, 2020

Chong-En Bai, professor of economics at Tsinghua University, talks to Rob about how the U.S. can improve global governance, and what lays ahead for China’s relationships with the U.S., Europe, and India.

The Legacy of the Opium Wars

Jamil Anderlini

June 16, 2020

Financial Times Asia editor Jamil Anderlini talks to Rob about the lasting legacy of the Opium Wars on Chinese foreign policy, and the future of Hong Kong.

What Happened to Hong Kong?

William Overholt

June 15, 2020

William Overholt, Senior Research Fellow at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, talks to Rob Johnson about how China expanded its power over Hong Kong, and the state of US-China relations.

Keynesian Inspiration for the Pandemic’s Economic Crisis

Zach Carter

June 12, 2020

Zach Carter, Huffington Post reporter and author of the new book, The Price of Peace: Money, Democracy, and the Life of John Maynard Keynes, talks to Rob Johnson about Keynes’s vision of maintaining democracy in times of crisis.

On George Floyd and John Ruskin

Lynn Parramore & Jeffrey Spear

June 11, 2020

INET Senior Research Analyst Lynn Parramore and NYU Professor of English Jeffrey Spear talk to Rob Johnson about what Victorian art critic John Ruskin’s writings on the collective have to do with the protests that have come in the wake of the killing of George Floyd by Minneapolis police.

The Civil War Never Ended

Warrington Hudlin

June 10, 2020

Filmmaker Warrington Hudlin taks to Rob Johnson about the protests against police brutality, the long history of racial oppression in the U.S., and his adaptation of Les Misérables set in the outskirts of contemporary Paris.

A Spirit of Civic Activism

Michael Sandel

June 10, 2020

Harvard political philosopher Michael Sandel talks to Rob Johnson about the implications of the wave of protests sweeping the U.S. and their role in fomenting a spirit of civic activism.

Authoritarianism in a “Democracy”

Sarah Kendzior

June 8, 2020

Journalist and author Sarah Kendzior talks to Rob Johnson about how the Uzbekistan’s experience of authoritarianism within a nominally democratic framework could be the future of the U.S.

How Greenwich Republicans Learned to Love Trump

Evan Osnos

June 5, 2020

New Yorker staff writer Evan Osnos talks to Rob Johnson about his recent article, “How Greenwich Republicans Learned to Love Trump,” as well as the state of US-China relations.

Will COVID Lead to Authoritarianism?

Gaël Giraud

June 4, 2020

Gaël Giraud, founder and leader of the Georgetown University Center for Environmental Justice, talks to Rob Johnson about how liberal democracies will fare in facing the pandemic, whether we could see a rise in authoritarian governments, and why economics needs to take climate change into account.

Europe’s Dereliction of Duty

Yanis Varoufakis & Danae Stratou

June 3, 2020

Former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis and artist Danae Stratou talk to Rob Johnson about Europe’s failures for working people, both before and during the pandemic.

The Imperative of Access to Drugs

Arjun Jayadev & Achal Prabhala

June 2, 2020

INET Senior Economist Arjun Jayadev and Shuttleworth Foundation fellow Achal Prabhala talk to Rob Johnson about the global need for access to affordable pharmaceuticals, especially in India and the rest of the developing world.